In the original Batman comics, Alfred didn’t raise Batman after his parents were killed; it was actually Bruce’s uncle, who was a wealthy aristocrat. Alfred joined the Batman cast years later, after Dick Grayson/Robin first appeared.
For a Batman TV show, what if this actually happens: Bruce’s parents are killed, he lives with his uncle, then leaves at 18 and comes back five years later. His uncle hires Alfred Pennyworth as the Wayne Manor house manager, and he’s 10 years older than Bruce. So instead of a father/son dynamic, it’s more of a brotherly or best-friend type of relationship.
Now, if you aren’t a Batman fan, you might not care—but this question is mainly for Batman fans: would you want to see something like this?
I’m a fan of Batman, but the whole Batman concept doesn’t work anymore.
Bruce Wayne is the 1%. Batman is working with the police. In the 40s, the police were thought of as “the good guys”. Today, I’d rather be stuck in a dark ally with the Joker than the cops.
To me the whole premise no longer plays. I’d like to see a more adult Batman adeptation which plays into modern viewpoints.
Superman just did this brilliantly in the movie last summer. Batman could still be the same. HE thinks he’s the good guy. But he’s still Bruce Wayne, the 1%.
The cops would act as actual cops do. Corrupt. Cover for each other. Essentially the only legal gang in gotham, but just that. A gang.
Gordon can be an elder cop. The good one amongst the corruption of the other cops. Despite being chief of police, he still doesn’t have the ability to control the whole force.
And each of the major villians control their own gang. Except for Bane, who’s basically just a 1 man army. And Killer Croc, who’s basically just a mutant. Not evil per se, but just an animal. Just like the T-Rex in Jurassic Park. Not a villian, but still a deadly threat if encountered.
Sorry, I like Alfred as an old man mentor/caretaker roll. I always thought they should have made a movie where Alfred was dying, and it emotionally distracts Bruce from being Batman. Thus causing the city opinion to turn heavily against Batman. Thinking he’s just letting chaos happen and working with the corrupt cops.
I’m gonna recommend Moon Knight as the best version of Batman without the bootlicking.
✔️ Gadgets
✔️ Martial arts
✔️ Detective work
✔️ Mental issues
✔️ Fear tactics
❌ Billionaire (He made his millions working as a mercenary, which he’s now trying to atone for)
❌ Ableism (No “criminally insane” BS, and the best runs explore accurate mental illness)
❌ Copaganda (The cops have standing orders to arrest Moon Knight, so if he wants to work with the cops, he has to dress up as Mr Knight)
❌ Child endangerment
❌ Gay jokes about RobinThat sounds AWESOME!!! I will have to look for that.
The Warren Ellis run from 2014, collected in the From The Dead volume is the best Moon Knight made in the last 45 years.
Unfortunately, then you need to buy a book written by a sexual predator.
Quick, Robin! To the Google machine!
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/13/women-speak-out-about-warren-ellis-transmetropolitan
Ah, shit.
Well, there’s always piracy. Omnibus is a really good tool for finding pirated comic books.
Child endangerment
I hope you have this same energy for literally every single superhero in the DC universe because the Teen Titans literally exist because almost all the justice league members have child sidekicks.
I love that THAT is the part you take issue with.
Again, it’s clear you aren’t an actual fan of Batman, DC Comics, or Marvel in general. I know this because the argument you have for Batman doesn’t apply to any other superhero who is richer than him, or any other superhero with a sidekick. It’s always ‘Batman endangers children,’ despite the fact that the entire Justice League endangers children too.
But if you would like, James Gunn can write Bruce Wayne adopting Dick Grayson at 25 years old, and Dick can become Robin while being adopted as a grown man—if that’s what you want. In fact, all the Teen Titans can be 30+ year-old sidekicks if you want, just so we don’t ‘endanger children.’
Funny how you didn’t bring up Daredevil in this list, because in Season 2 of Born Again, he’s fine with Hector’s niece—who’s like 13 years old—being White Tiger, despite her uncle getting killed doing it. Matt had no qualms about it.
So your arguments aren’t worth engaging with. And Absolute Batman is so badly written—because if he’s dirt poor, how the hell does he afford his suit, gadgets, materials for armor, and a supercar? If he’s poor, then you need to explain how he’s doing all this.
And if Martha is alive, then why should I take Absolute Batman seriously at all? And why have Batman keep a no-kill rule? He’s basically just The Punisher now, so you might as well go all in—give him a bunch of guns and have him start shooting every criminal he sees. If he’s Punisher, then just go full Punisher.
I’m always so happy in those rare cases when you grace me with a reply, so I won’t even be mad that you think I was the one who made that list (about Moon Knight, btw) :)
But you may want to look up whataboutism before continuing this discussion.
you may want to look up whataboutism
Again, you are just throwing “whataboutism” around because you can’t logically answer the question. The answer is simply that you are not a real fan of Marvel and DC. Batman is the most famous superhero, and you have never read a Batman comic or watched a movie. He’s the most famous one, so he’s the easiest to criticize because he’s popular. Again, do you have this criticism for:
Moon Knight Charles Xavier Iron Man Green Arrow Iron Fist Blue Beetle Sunspot Emma Frost If you have a problem with sidekicks, do you then have a problem with: Captain America The Flash Wonder Woman Superman Martian Manhunter Aquaman Green Arrow (who’s a straight-up Batman copycat) Etc., etc. Can you just answer that question? If not, then just say: “Yeah, I’m not a real fan. I know nothing about these characters. I’m just jumping on the bandwagon because Batman is the most famous hero, and I know nothing about Marvel and DC because I’m not a real fan.”
“you may want to look up whataboutism”
"I dont feel talking about any other superhero whos very similar to Batman who does the same shit he does so I’m just going to say “whataboutism”.
You aren’t a fan just say that.
I really don’t care if you think I’m a fan of anything. I’m saying they brought up other reasons to prefer Moon Knight over Batman and you zero-ed in on this ONE thing that was probably an after thought for them and went “these other franchises do it too so I’m the only real fan!” and then you have nothing else to bring to the discussion but ad hominems.
Again, do you have this criticism for: Moon Knight
lol
I know the premise of Absolute Batman is that Bruce Wayne is a middle-class civil engineer, and sometimes struggles to stay awake at his day job because he’s exhausted from being Batman. And the Joker is a 1%er. Not sure his the cops are portrayed.
Absolute Universe is incredible. Sometimes altered versions of well known characters doesn’t sit right, but the Absolute Universe pushed that so far that its its own beautiful thing. Really enjoying all of those comics, not just Batman. Wonder Woman is particularly cool.
You aren’t a real Batman fan and thats ok! My post was for real DC fans.
My post was for people who think exactly like me and who won’t disagree with me
That’s always the best basis for a healthy discussion.
for a healthy discussion
No, it’s honest—you are not a real fan. You are objectively not, and here’s how I know: because you are one of those people who just hate Batman because he’s popular. Your arguments are used by people who are not actual fans—that is a fact. Again, can you please explain to me your opinion on Blue Beetle, Green Arrow, and Sunspot?
Please do point to where I have voiced ANY opinion on Batman.
Then what is your opinion on Batman?
lol
Absolute Batman is poor as fuck, but he can afford a mining dump truck, fuel for it, the supplies to customize it, a secure place to hide it, and the list goes on.
Also if Martha is alive and if hes working class then why be Batman in the first place?
And why are criminals afraid of this dude?
Also if Martha is alive and if hes working class then why be Batman in the first place?
What does his mum have to do with anything? She’s not his dead girlfriend (a.k.a. the only reason to become a superhero). Or is she?
“Would you want to see an adaptation of an influential era of Batman comics unrestricted by a TV-14 rating?”
Good grief fellow Batman fan, you should really be nerding out in the lemmy DC communities if you haven’t found them yet.
