Often when I see someone accusing people of voting against their own interests, it’s pretty clear that the person making the accusation has not taken the time to understand the values others are basing their choice on.
If I could rob a person and be confident that I would never be caught and punished for doing so, am I acting against my own self interest if I chose not to rob them because it goes against my moral code? No, of course not. But based on the way some people talk about voting against ones self interest, you might think I just cheated myself out of free money.
Is it possible that a person might “vote against their own interests” because of a misinformed view? of course, but you’ll never understand a person’s motivations by chosing to paint them with broad strokes based on your prejudices instead of getting to know them individually and trying to understand what it is they truly value.
Fear is often a motivating factor in a person’s choice. This was equally true of the left and right in this past US presidential election.
I haven’t seen any evidence that fear is a value that most people hold though. The source of their fear is concern over the things they do value.
There’s those broad strokes I was talking about. I appreciate you providing an example.
Refusing to empathize and understand how people arrive at their views in favor of this kind of prejudice will never contribute to positive changes.
Yes, the best cure to bigotry is love and compassion. Love and compassion start with empathy. It’s easy to empathize with those that think and act like you do - it can be difficult, but all the more important, to empathize with those that don’t. Refusing to do so only ensures polarization of society and a perpetuation of the cycles of violence that permeate society. This is something that has become all the more clear with the rise of social media and the info bubbles they trap people in.
It sounds like we’re largely in agreement. Absolutely, you want to tackle the issue at the source. I don’t see how one hopes to accomplish that without empathy. Understanding those racist ‘losers’ is how you begin to understand how to tackle this at the source.
I agree your belief is admirable, but it is extremely naive if you think it will make a difference on a large scale even if there are millions who believe what you do.
We already had a movement about peace, love, and understanding that was very popular with a huge chunk of the population doing the acts you described in the 1960s.
You have also clearly not spent any amount of time with the kind of people you think you can emphasize with. I lived in rural Idaho for Obama’s years. I couldn’t count the amount of times people joked about hanging or shooting him.
You want to empathize with a racist who wants a man dead just because he is black? I did plenty of this and guess the positive change it made. Yeah, it didn’t matter at all.
The only way is to stop the propaganda. This is the source. Hate radio, Faux News, and now Xshitter feed people with lies using psychological manipulation to twist their minds and hearts.
It takes years, sometimes decades, to deprogram people from this if they are willing to change. They are creating new racist losers at a pace you cannot keep up with. This is the reality we face.
Often when I see someone accusing people of voting against their own interests, it’s pretty clear that the person making the accusation has not taken the time to understand the values others are basing their choice on.
If I could rob a person and be confident that I would never be caught and punished for doing so, am I acting against my own self interest if I chose not to rob them because it goes against my moral code? No, of course not. But based on the way some people talk about voting against ones self interest, you might think I just cheated myself out of free money. Is it possible that a person might “vote against their own interests” because of a misinformed view? of course, but you’ll never understand a person’s motivations by chosing to paint them with broad strokes based on your prejudices instead of getting to know them individually and trying to understand what it is they truly value.
The answer is fear. Fear is what they truly value.
Fear is often a motivating factor in a person’s choice. This was equally true of the left and right in this past US presidential election.
I haven’t seen any evidence that fear is a value that most people hold though. The source of their fear is concern over the things they do value.
You just got to get to know the Nazi to understand them?
Oh wait it is more nuanced than that. You gotta get to know the racist to emphasize with them?
Dang it, we got to dig deeper. You have to get to know the misogynist to get them?
Sometimes getting to know someone is not the magical solution people think it is.
There’s those broad strokes I was talking about. I appreciate you providing an example.
Refusing to empathize and understand how people arrive at their views in favor of this kind of prejudice will never contribute to positive changes.
Yes, the best cure to bigotry is love and compassion. Love and compassion start with empathy. It’s easy to empathize with those that think and act like you do - it can be difficult, but all the more important, to empathize with those that don’t. Refusing to do so only ensures polarization of society and a perpetuation of the cycles of violence that permeate society. This is something that has become all the more clear with the rise of social media and the info bubbles they trap people in.
You can spend years turning the heart of a racist and certainly some people have done this successfully.
Meanwhile propaganda has turned out another ten thousand racists in the time it took you to change a couple minds.
To be frank your belief is not completely wrong but it will not solve our current problems.
You hint on the reality that it is our social constructs such as social media that is driving this resurgence of hate.
As a social worker by trade I can say I know a lot about this topic. There is a classic story of people getting swept into the river.
While it is admirable that you want to jump in to save people the real solution is going upstream and stopping people from falling in.
Understanding racist losers will not accomplish what you want. Changing their minds will not either. You have to stop it at the source.
It sounds like we’re largely in agreement. Absolutely, you want to tackle the issue at the source. I don’t see how one hopes to accomplish that without empathy. Understanding those racist ‘losers’ is how you begin to understand how to tackle this at the source.
I agree your belief is admirable, but it is extremely naive if you think it will make a difference on a large scale even if there are millions who believe what you do.
We already had a movement about peace, love, and understanding that was very popular with a huge chunk of the population doing the acts you described in the 1960s.
You have also clearly not spent any amount of time with the kind of people you think you can emphasize with. I lived in rural Idaho for Obama’s years. I couldn’t count the amount of times people joked about hanging or shooting him.
You want to empathize with a racist who wants a man dead just because he is black? I did plenty of this and guess the positive change it made. Yeah, it didn’t matter at all.
The only way is to stop the propaganda. This is the source. Hate radio, Faux News, and now Xshitter feed people with lies using psychological manipulation to twist their minds and hearts.
It takes years, sometimes decades, to deprogram people from this if they are willing to change. They are creating new racist losers at a pace you cannot keep up with. This is the reality we face.
deleted by creator
It’s like some people love to pretend they don’t know any of these kinds of people