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  • I was under the impression that only specifically protonMAIL logs your IP because of specific laws targeting mail providers while ProtonVPN is not required to.

    https://protonvpn.com/support/no-logs-vpn/

    " We don’t log which websites you visit We don’t log your traffic or the content of any communications We don’t log your IP address We don’t log your session lengths We don’t log or track any location-based information "

    And that while the same applies by DEFAULT by all of their products

    https://proton.me/legal/privacy

    “2.5 IP logging: By default, we do not keep permanent IP logs in relation with your Account.”

    They can’t definitively say they don’t log IP as they are legally required to log AFTER a valid court order from the swiss government demanding them to log and release for a specific person/account in accordance with the swiss Criminal Procedure Code article 269 as ProtonMAIL is considered a telecommunications platform

    https://www.swissrights.ch/gesetze/Artikel-269-StPO-2023-EN.php

    “The public prosecutor may arrange for post and telecommunications to be monitored if: a. there is a strong suspicion that an offence listed in paragraph 2 has been committed; b. the seriousness of the offence justifies surveillance; and c. investigative activities carried out so far have been unsuccessful or the enquiries would otherwise have no prospect of success or be made unreasonably complicated.”

    If I’m wrong on this please correct me but this is my understanding and from the quick research I did to provide links and quotes it does still seems to be true to me.

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  • “suggesting to go back to Mexico is as good as no advice, because that’s what deportation does as well.”

    No it’s not. Do you deny the existence of the border camps? Do you deny that people are being sent to Guantanamo or an El Salvadorian concentration camp?

    Suggesting they go back to Mexico is suggesting that the reward is not worth the heightened risk.

    Edit: and to be clear I’m not even suggesting that they do go back. I’d just suggest that they asses the risk/reward and if they choose to stay they NEED to recognize the risk and organize within their communities accordingly.


  • Yes, that would obviously be best for discovering their individual reasons and I have discussed it with a few. But I’m not asking you why they come here. I’m asking why you believe what you said to be true and valid. I’m Mexican-American myself and your words just didn’t sit right with me, it felt like you were just dismissing the whole idea of people living in Mexico…like a liberalized/opposite version of the “if you love Mexico why don’t you go back!” We get whenever we show pride for Mexico (Implying that Mexico is a terrible place nobody should want to live or be proud of). I’m sure that wasn’t your intention but its how it came off to me.

    As for the substance of your response.

    While mexico is certainly below in most metrics on averages, that includes wealth and cost of living averages. You shouldn’t focus on just averages but the disparity between things like cost of healthcare and general living vs wages. Also being among the lower classes drastically increases your chances to be murdered in the US which isn’t accurately represented in the average national statistics. It’s not as simple as Mexico being a death pit and America is safe.