So… another year then?

I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried with Lemmy. The best I found that I could hope for was sorting by New, but mostly I just gave up hope for it.

Until I moved to PieFed, and now the issue has multiple solutions. For one, using the Topic/Feeds (which are user-customizeable and shareable) you really can have your cake and eat it too, e.g. you can unsubscribe from all politics communities so that those do not show up on your main homepage, but an entire new feed completely dedicated to News & Politics is just a click away. Or Memes. Or Hobbies. Or Movies & TV, or any of a thousand other things - again, you can build your own, or subscribe to one that someone else has made.

And for another, for sufficiently low-traffic communities you can click the bell icon (which you can do to pretty much anything - users, posts, comments, communities, etc. - plus you can even UNCLICK that to silence notifications from your own content!!), so that you get a notification for each and every single new post to it. But, if it ever does get to be too much, you can mark all as read and/or separate the different categories of notifications from one another - community posts by others vs. replies to your own content.

PieFed really is leaving Lemmy behind in the dust, as far as features are concerned.

Leave no witnesses alive, check! ✅

So what you’re saying is that you haven’t entirely ruled it out, and left room for interpretation?

Yeah “obscure” was definitely the wrong word there - maybe “niche”?

Thank you so much for your contributions btw! In this era of disinformation, making the Threadiverse more usable can be an enormous boon:-).

He did, as well as mental health. So perhaps it is good that he pulled back a bit rather than overwhelm himself further. He did come back from his hospital trip, but then left the instance completely unmonitored which caused the entire Threadiverse to become flooded with spam messages like advertisements, to the point where some instances chose to defederate from it. You can’t just leave something like open on the internet these days!

Anyway PieFed is fantastic, you will probably fall in love with it instantly, like so many others of us:-).

Kbin the software has died - technically there is still one small instance in Poland that uses it, but all others have ceased, and the software is no longer being maintained under that name - yet the project lives on in its fork Mbin.

Instances that include the kbin word - e.g. kbin.earth - only retain that now as a legacy.

Sadly I don’t think anyone has heard from Ernst, the original developer and admin of kbin.social.

App support finally came to Mbin though, see “Interstellar”.

A spiritual successor to Kbin’s design philosophy that is very much worth checking out is “PieFed”, which I am writing to you now using it :-). Most apps that work with Lemmy also now work with it (except Thunder support still coming “soon_™” but available only in the beta version for now, not the Play Store one). PieFed is written in Python rather than the obscure Rust language so its pace of development has been extremely rapid in comparison to Lemmy and it now has a feature set well beyond that of either Lemmy or Mbin. If you want to access both the Threadiverse/Lemmy/Mbin communities/magazines as well as Fediverse/Mastodon-style content, Mbin is still your best bet as it was designed for exactly that, but for Threadiverse stuff it offers numerous advantages. Anyway it is so nice to have choices to pick from!:-)

Ah thanks, you are too! :-P

Both sides fall for it, just not equally.

Have you lost your damn mind? (Gets flashy thingied)

Have you lost your damn mind? (Gets flashy thingied again)

Have you lost your damn mind? (Gets flashy thingied again, after adjusting the dial)

Have you lost your damn mind? (Gets flashy thingied again, after adjusting the dial some more)

(Hey this goes on for awhile, you may not want to wait for the end…)

That is wonderful, and even more wonderful is how PieFed supports the ability to add it in the first place. Certain communities just play by slightly different rules than is most common across the Threadiverse - beehaw communities are that way, and Hexbear ones too (especially Chapotraphouse) - so it is great to help guide people towards knowledge of that fact rather than make them learn the hard way. 😉

Thank you to your service to this community ☺️

And it makes sense that it was not a FULL rebuttal, only adding context (that the reporters were over-hyping it from the actual science done, which tbh is far more common than not these days). Truth is stranger - and more complex - than Fiction, after all. I see no schadenfreude in it at all, yes it is “negative” but in a way that is helpful, it is respectful, and polite (as much as can be expected). I suppose I can see from some people’s perspective though that it does NOT serve as a break from the incessant negativity and rage, because it changes the hopeful outlook to rage-inducing for the media hype, although then as people said it goes back to hope again. Yes, a tricky business indeed to figure that one out…

I like how you left it to the community to decide via their votes exactly how relevant it is. If it had simply said something like “get bent BBC and UniQure”, then yes remove it unequivocally, but since it is on the line… leave it to the entire community rather than have to take on that burden all by yourselves?

It’s very sad to see hype like this…

This one seems totally fine to me.

Actually, you’ve missed the mark…

This one is more of a judgement call - I did not look up its context, yes it does add something though also is fairly “negative”. Granted, I am applying the slippery slope argument here where if it is not stopped then others will take a step forward, and then another step forward, and then still yet another step forward… and so on. Not a ban, but a removal and message to keep it uplifting - or better yet, not a removal either but just a message saying this far but no farther?

The miracle drug one seems fine yes - you did not include a link to that one so rather I mean that from your description it seems fine. More than fine actually as it REALLY added quite a VERY helpful point to the discussion! Yes people come here to avoid schadenfreude, but I see no schadenfreude in what you said about that comment whatsoever. “Hope” does not mean burying your head in the ground like an ostritch, but rather something good to look forward to. That should be tempered by facts, imho and it seems like in yours as well although I also think that there is room for reasonable people to disagree here, so that it is not blind faith in an unknowable “bright shiny happy future” but rather a realistic pathway forward to at least SOMETHING beyond our current drudgery - and while a drug that has severe side-effects should be carefully considered, remaining in addictive behaviors can likewise be life-threatening. It reminds me of the Ivermectin thing as a cure for covid: imagine someone posted THAT in this community, and someone else said “uh… yeah but uh…”, I would hope that you would not remove the latter comment that tempered that ah… “enthusiasm” for that uh… “hopeful cure” (for that life-threatening disease).

I am odd when it comes to children: I do not think that they should be “protected” from knowledge, and would rather have such matters explained to them. And if it is wrong to be happy about someone getting harmed in front of a child, then it is sitll wrong to be happy about someone getting harmed when NOT in front of a child, hence the child part is irrelevant to me. But I do see where you were going with that description and applaud the overall thought: if you feel guilty doing it (under whatever circumstances), then perhaps examine whether the thing being done is truly worthy of doing? If you feel guilty, it is because you yourself know that it violates something inside of you, so don’t encourage that kind of cognitive dissonance and rather own up to it, one way or another (unfortunately so many people do that nowadays, but in the other direction where they will unabashedly do such things in front of their children and not bat an eye).

I have been a mod before. I suppose I still am now for one dying community. It is a hard job, I know. Most mods on Reddit did not last more than a year or two b/c of the toxicity that they continually kept being exposed to - at least, not those mods who actually CARED about their communities. You seem to genuinely care and that’s awesome. Don’t let yourself get overwhelmed by it all:-).

BTW I think it’s fricking awesome that PieFed describes that notice “please read the rule posts or sidebar description.” in-between the post and the comments below it, which I think will REALLY help people realize which community they are in. At least, PieFed users, Lemmy users will ofc continue to be left in the dark, increasingly more so as that software falls behind the ever-growing set of features that PieFed continues to add practically weekly now.

First, thank you so much for your kind comments. Sometimes I get discouraged and do not want to continue a conversation b/c it simply has ceased to be fun. You are engaging here as you press for truth and I appreciate that.

Second, I may have missed something - no not in your words but in the OP, where I only just now saw the edit that included the actual examples, before which I was arguing in the dark (also I was not certain if we were talking about the comments or the reports about those, although I did presume the former). So now I am confused more than ever: almost every single one of those seems negative to me! “I hope he gets what he voted for In the end” is the very definition of schadenfreude, is it not?! Phrases such as “ruinously expensive”, “So, let’s be optimistic. Maybe global capitalism will collapse…”, and so on. The last one seems legit though: it is pointing out a problem with the actual study. Maybe I am not smart enough to see though that all of these are of the same type? Perhaps, because the “you will know it when you see it” argument is indeed a slippery concept. But if the last example truly is different as it seems to me, then perhaps the response to it might be to remove the entire post that it refers to rather than remove simply that comment, for being “negative”?

Now with my head spinning I need to get my bearings: are you trying to say that continuing the community forward as it has been is too tiring on the moderation team, and so you want to change it? And if so, you don’t simply want it to become yet another “news” community, where pratically anything goes (hurtling insults, vomiting toxicity, etc.), as all of the other ones seem to be? (fortunately I am unfairly exaggerating here - actually e.g. !politics@beehaw.org seems quite sane - but definitely the trend across the Threadiverse seems more towards rather than away from toxicity) Instead, you want to keep it “mostly” as it was, but widen the scope just a tiny bit, e.g. to allow the last comment but none of the ones before it? If so, then I would be okay with that. Again, you could rather remove the entire post that it refuted if it was no longer “positive”, but so long as the comment itself isn’t too negative - e.g. is just straight-up schadenfreude “I hope you get what you voted for (implication: AND DIE, a HORRIBLE, AGONIZING TORTOROUS death)” vibes (sorry for expanding out that implication, but isn’t that WHY people are trying to avoid the schadenfreude, because the simple words “get” and “voted” and “for” are not upsetting, but rather the concepts that they point to, which touches on DEEP psychological issues that some people may not be in a position to handle yet, at that moment? I have been there multiple times this year as I watch the USA government situation before my very eyes.)

BTW I hold the same view as you about the children: they not only suspect, they KNOW when they are being lied to. They need extra care and attention to be told how to process that information, rather than assume that they are incapable and so avoid the issue entirely. People die, it’s a reality. Then again, I doubt that there are any truly actual children on the Threadiverse - at best we might have some teenagers who would already have had that bubble popped, but nowhere do we come close to needing to avoid talking about things for the reasons of “bUt ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEn!?”. I rather see this community as those adults needing a break from the toxicity that is present in so many other places around the Threadiverse, particularly surrounding any “news” topics.

That last example comment… it is written respectfully, it expresses empathy, it cites facts and logical reasoning, it continues beyond that to connect the chain all the way towards why the article might be fraudulent (or if not factually so, then at least fraudulently over-hyping the reality of its claims when in reality nothing is yet known, but for $$$ reasons someone would rather claim to know more than is yet possible without doing the actual research). I guess I could see where that one is called “negative”, but it is not an example of true “negativity” - do you see what I mean in drawing that distinction? That one does not offend me in the slightest.

Whereas “I hope he dies!” (more politely phrased as “I hope he gets what he voted for”, but the same concept, yet its true meaning made abundantly more clear by following that up with “in the end” - why the END do you think? unless they mean the FINAL end, for that person at least? and even emphasizing it with the capital “In the” like an ominous phrasing that draws your attention to specifically that portion of the sentence) offends me much more. I blocked !politics@lemmy.world because it was just constantly like that, and I am thinking about blocking others like !nyt_gift_articles@sopuli.xyz for the same reason (albeit to a far lesser degree ofc, still, how much shit is okay to appear in your water that you want to drink?).

Then again, while that is my vision for this place, I am not the one having to put in the work to read all that and decide whether removal is warranted. I have really strained here to convey my vision, definitely using WAAAAY too many words, and in my zeal all these little stories and tangents that I hoped would help but probably by adding length may even have hurt a little, as compared to if I had thought about it more and written it more concisely? But above all of that, the people who have to do the clean-up I really do feel like should get the highest say in the matter. I am so glad to have a community where especially the ubiquitous schadenfreude is kept at bay, at least as best as possible. I would REALLY hate to see more schadenfreude come into this community. But especially comments like that last example? Yeah I am totally okay with that one. Disagreements voiced respectfully, with empathy, may be negative but not contributing to negativity in my book. At which point we might have ended up agreeing with one another - e.g. similarly to how you mentioned in your country, forced “positivity” is not always a “positive” thing, right? Well the latter part is definitely true, though whether we fully agree or not I am not entirely certain - yet hopefully by talking it back and forth, with respect and empathy, we gained some better understanding of each others’ position? And THAT is an uplifting thing!:-D

Good does not have a meaning in a vacuum. it is a relative thing.

Thank you for sharing your story. I agree insofar as the above sentence. I would hope that we could also be considerate if not even outright kind to others, especially as we realize that different people are in different mental health spaces as they take their own personal journeys around the sun each year. Schadenfreude in particular is something that people will outright leave social media entirely to avoid, so there becomes a DESPERATE NEED to have a “safe space” that is free of such. The rights of someone to vomit up their emotions onto everyone around them does not outweigh the rights of someone else to not have to listen. Which to be clear, I am not accusing you of thinking anything differently than that, only making sure that we are starting from the same common ground.

There are many, Many, MANY “news” communities all around the entire Fediverse. Can we not have just ONE community where e.g. schadenfreude is kept out? This is not a “paradox of intolerance” thing, since people in this community are not making that decision for others, only for themselves, as they choose to remain a member of this community vs. to block it.

Put another way: if you do not want an abortion, then do not get one? But why should you want to stop others from doing one? Similarly, if you do not want to participate in this “safe space” that blocks out negativity, then nobody is forcing you to - unlike the authoritarian regime that you unfortunately have to live underneath the auspices of

What the people of this community wanted is described well in the side-bar text imho:

From acts of everyday kindness to large-scale philanthropic efforts, from individual achievements to community triumphs, we bring you news—in text form or otherwise—that gives hope, fosters empathy, and strengthens the belief in humanity’s capacity for good, from a quality outlet that does not publish bad copies of copies of copies.

I would argue that false news should be banned, so if you agree then… good. The above sentence though seems to me to talk about TRUE news stories that foster that hope.

Here in /c/UpliftingNews, we uphold the values of respect, empathy, and inclusivity, fostering a supportive and vibrant community. We encourage you to share your positive news, comment, engage in uplifting conversations, and find solace in the goodness that exists around us. We are more than a news-sharing platform; we are a community built on the power of positivity and the collective desire for a more hopeful world. Remember, your small acts of kindness can be someone else’s big ray of hope. Be part of the positivity revolution; share, uplift, inspire!

This is what people have asked for. Why not let them/us have it? It is after all a choice, and once people are done taking a break from the “real(-istic) news”, they can rejoin society and listen in on actual conversations about more serious events taking place in the world. But what is wrong with “coping” with major depressive conditions occurring all around the world, and moreover, even if something were “wrong” (although as you say good is relative, so isn’t wrong also thus?), so what - why is that something that either you or I get to / have to judge? Again, why not let them/us have it? There are so many other places around the Fediverse to have deeper discussions - that is simply not what this community is about though? Make fun of this community elsewhere if you must!?! Other spaces are built specifically for that. For that matter, make fun of women too, and of trans people if you like - you may not win many friends by doing so, but you do you (I am being hyperbolic here on purpose btw, in case this exaggerated caricature of an argument helps get past anything that might otherwise get lost with too much subtlety), but importantly: not here? This is a safe space for people who want to get away from all of that for just one fucking minute, without having to turn off social media entirely.

Yes I hear your argument: “people who block out the world are making a poor personal choice” - but it is just that, a personal choice. You do not have to agree in order to respect it.

You could, of course, always make a new community that does things “better” (relatively speaking) than this one, if you feel that you would like to do so. Or make a proposal to do things differently here, e.g. as you are doing by stating your position. And I am stating my counter-argument to your position, hopefully in a (relatively) friendly manner without having created too much in the way of negativity:-).

That’s what is happening on Reddit right now.

Thank you for doing that:-)

How does it deliver them - as DMs?

Same -> I did not enjoy who Reddit was turning me into. It is possible to disagree and not be a jerk about it, but on Reddit even agreeing with someone nearly always turned into an argument.

Some spaces are like that here - namely news and politics - but then in the more niche spaces we get to be chill.:-)

Your very desire to help aids in the restoration of my own faith in humanity (after I thought that Reddit had destroyed it all). I’m not joking - I really mean that. Such conversations on Reddit never ended well, but here on the Threadiverse they often (even if not always) do. I am glad that you are here, sharing your thoughts.:-) ☺️