I am against animal agriculture for the same reason I am against sexism, racism, ableism, classism and homophobia.

The circumstances of a creatures birth does not dictate what it is “meant for”, every one deserves to live happy, healthily and with dignity, but some simply want to live.

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  • I see a lot of mostly correct answers here, but as a trans person myself I can’t help but feel they are all missing the core concept.

    People hate trans folk for the same reason “get back in the kitchen” is still said to women in any non-“traditional” role or the “angry black man/woman” is said about anyone advocating for their own rights. There are strict gender and racial roles that are enforced by our society so rigidly, that many have assumed them to be naturally correct laws of the universe. Anyone existing outside of those roles is seen as either mental illness to be corrected or malicious evil-doers wanting to cause trouble.

    When in fact the reality is much simpler, that being human is a more diverse expressive and dynamic experience than those holding on to those “natural laws” would like to admit. To exist outside the role you were “assigned” is a threat to society that assigns the roles, ergo a threat to the very way of life for those who see gender, sexual and racial hegemony as innate truths.

    Conservatives who hold high tradition are naturally the first to speak out and seek to regulate us back in to “normal society” via legislation but liberals are absolutely not immune. To reduce transphobia to a political wedge issue, while correct, doesn’t quite explain the more innocuous yet quite prevalent transphobia inside left leaning spaces.




  • Books, not just reading but long form text. If someone doesn’t want listen, then they won’t even if they pretend otherwise.

    So if a talented author puts out a message, the reader has to continually choosing to read, intake and process what is being communicated. It’s easy to tune out of conversation, videos or lectures without realizing it. But if you make it to the end of the page and don’t know what just happened, it’s entirely at your discretion to go back and reprocess. Infinitely repeatable while requiring constant buy-in without the concept of just waiting out the duration while thinking of other things. To my mind, if you want to understand a complex idea than books are easily the best method.



  • (as is most biologists) that we are omnivores.

    No vegans dispute this. In fact that is a large reason we point that meat is not a necessity to a healthy diet like many claim.

    But fundamentally I’m not here to talk about veganism. You are entitled to your own beliefs, I only wanted to provide a complete answer to the “hypocritical vegans” comment that appears in every thread paints feeling pain. While I personally think deciding that things are most “humane” when they are “efficient” for you regardless of the effect it has on others is selfish and motivated reasoning, thus unethical. But this thread nor community is a place to discuss ethics, I clearly illuminated why equating plant rights and animal rights is silly, so frankly I would just like to end the discussion there. Thanks.


  • If you think pigs, chickens and cows have the same level of awareness and perception as broccoli, tomatoes or potatoes than you’re the potato.

    Humans have to eat and with the exception of a few minerals like salt, everything edible to humans is alive on some level. Vegansisn is making an ethical choice about reducing what causes the most pain fear and suffering in another. If I were to develop cancer, a tape worm or a virus should I also allow those living things to thrive as well or does “Uh, now what?” also apply to antibiotics?