Okay fair, sometimes I can lose patience when I feel like I am up against some kind of religious thinking. A lot of good points have been raised in this thread, and I believe in the strength of different ideas coming together to serve a common good, goal for people.

I don’t understand, can you give some examples?

Why should an owner share profits equally if they’re responsible for most of the startup push?

Great point, I’ll take that into consideration

I am sorry, but what does bought out mean? The person running it simply didn’t have to sell. If you’re saying “money was too tempting”, then isn’t that an inherent flaw in any Marxist Leninist theory in practice? So let’s say, the business wasn’t run by someone who cared enough about others and got greedy, so why not start one where you pick the right people? If you can’t do that, then why should any state ever cede over production to workers? How would we ensure greed doesn’t take over then?

I don’t know, it seems the whole argument seems to boil down to “there’s not enough time, money or skill”. I guess my question is why do ML theorists think workers can organize enough to run a state when they can’t organize enough to run a business?

People upvoting this have no idea, VCs aren’t the only way to fund a business

Idk, people are doing it already. Seems like this isn’t really a good reason.

You’re right it’s hard, that’s the same pressure as normal business creation. I mean, look at the fediverse. Making something like this didn’t happen overnight, and there’s a lot of talent and vision which made it happen.

I think to start, someone could build a profit-sharing version of TikTok, FB, Zoom, Amazon or Etsy etc.

This doesn’t make sense, there are people already doing this and making millions, at least.

Can you please cite some examples? What does that even mean?

These are great points, and looking at some of the other responses I get the sense that it’s a time and skills issue. So, what exactly do communists and socialists imagine will happen when “workers seize the means of production”?

I don’t want to discourage anyone from pursuing these ideas, I think at least in the U.S. it might be cool to have a consultancy or non-profit which helps connect such founders and provides them with education, training and startup resources.

Edit oh and some of the other points are that one wouldn’t get rich doing this. So what? I’ve already seen people look down on wealth accumulation, so I think it’s fair to say that the motives for someone who’d start such a business venture are different, which is valid and reasonable.

Secondly, I don’t think market forces will impact such businesses because if you’re creating communities around them, then people will choose what they know and trust.

If people can protest for higher taxes on the wealthy, and ensure that money is spent on social services that would be a great start. I don’t know about other countries, but why the fuck can’t America do a Nordic model of socialism?

A curse

Adults can fuck whatever they want with consent

You’re gonna get sampling bias from the responses here. I guess you should ask why you care about asking this question. If you always liked apples but all of a sudden there’s a type of orange you like, would you question why you like this orange, or would you just accept that you like this type of orange, or maybe you like both apples and oranges. If you both you like each other, and want something then that’s all that should matter.

It’s not that they’re not standardized, there’s a thing called sister sizes

Here https://www.sizechart.com/brasize/sistersize/index.html

Your actual size is the lowest sister size

This seems like a crypto project, or something that will eventually be used to train bad AI. I’d be wary

Ironically Republican presidents are the worst for the economy, https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2024/10/the-u-s-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents

God bean counters ruin everything good related to tech