I watched a few vids of chickens developing in eggs without shells (see here for an example, somewhat graphic), and got to wonder.

You’d think that all the yolk is uniform and therefore it could develop anywhere, but is there an underlying mechanism that could cause the primitive streak and everything to develop near the centre? Maybe a sort of yolk density mechanism, that it starts where the yolk is densest? The furthest from oxygen exchange at the shell?

Or does such a mechanism not exist?

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
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    6 days ago

    Wait, are you asking where the actual fertilized egg cell is? I think that’s what you’re wanting, but could be wrong.

    The yolk isn’t actually the “egg” in the same way a human ovum is. I mean, it kinda is, but there’s a spot in/on it called a blastodisc. That is what rooster sperm fertilizes, and where all development starts from. Once fertilized, it’s called a blastoderm. Not the blastodisc is the direct equivalent of a mammalian ovum.

    That’s why the embryo develops in roughly the same place, it’s all starting from one place; and because of how yolks form, that growth is going to be roughly towards the center.

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      6 days ago

      That’s what I wondered, yeah. I thought the yolk as a whole was the equivalent of the ovum, but apparently not, now that you’ve told. TIL!

      But then, how does the blastodisc form?

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        5 days ago

        To the best of my understanding, it works similar to how our reproductive cells do. Basically, a splitting up of genetic material followed by formation of the initial cell. Then, upon fertilization, you get the same process of cellular multiplication as mammals undergo.

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      6 days ago

      I’m aware that the egg has more than the yolk, however my question concerned specifically the initial development of the embryo in the yolk itself. Does the yolk then have internal structures preceding embryonic formation?

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        6 days ago

        As best I understand it, the chick to be doesn’t grow in the yolk, but on it. What is left of the yolk is still attached to the chick when it hatches, and acts as a food supply for the chick for about 3 days. This is one of the reasons newly hatched chicks can be shipped through the mail. I would posit that eggs have evolved to grow chicks in the middle for the same reason hens turn their eggs regularly, to prevent long term blood flow loss to whatever part of the body the chick’s weight would be on. Growing closer to the middle of the eggs will let the Lil chicks to float for as long as possible before starting to rest weight on the “down” side of the shell.

        Edit: I dont think the yolk has internal structures.

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    6 days ago

    The fertilization happens only at that white spot on the yolk, the egg cell/germinal disc which is what becomes the embryo, so that’s determining factor for where the embryo begins.