I just got this popup while playing New vegas. I don’t even use chrome, i’ve switched to firefox. How can this be allowed? Also, this is Win10
I still don’t get how Microsoft got in trouble for bundling internet explorer but now they are completely fine doing this
Anti-trust regulation has gotten very toothless in recent years. The shit many corporations are pulling now is insane when you think back about what happened to ms then.
Because that haven’t cause any harm I guess? Google was punished for pulling the same stunt with Chrome, but they actually succeeded. Meanwhile, few people i know use Edge right now. My cousin used to advocate for Edge until a Windows update wiped his browser clean
Frustratingly, the rulings preventing them from bundling software with an operating system stopped them from building in anti-virus measures. For years when Windows was synonymous with malware, they had their hands tied. 20 years later, they started including Windows defender / Security Essentials. The unnecessary global economic losses caused were immense.
They will be fine doing this for 5 years, then a new antitrust ruling will tell them to stop, and so on.
If governments actually gave a fuck about antitrust anymore, it would be. 20-ish years ago, they dragged Microsoft to court over simply bundling IE with Windows. It didn’t even constantly nag you to set as default; just the fact that it was bundled at all was enough to make it into the sights of regulators.
Run a debloat script for windows from christitustech. And if you want to start from fresh install w10/11 ltsb/ltsc and run the debloat script, that is the safest option, if you don’t want to swap to Linux.
I especially love that it was blurry. I shit you not, a blurry popup telling me to switch the search engine like some 2010 malware.
In Europe it isn’t. But I got it too. Even worse, my default browser was changed to Bing after an update.
Even worse, my default browser was changed to Bing after an update.
Is this not literally quite almost what their first big antitrust case was all about (shipping their OS together with Internet Explorer, back then) that almost got them broken up by the state?
In a light version, yes.
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European here. Which law is this breaking, exactly? Pretty sure advertising is legal
It’s no ad, it’s nudging. Without being asked even. They don’t show you a list of search engines to set as default, they ask you to switch to Bing. My system just switched to Bing without asking.
It’s no ad, it’s nudging. Without being asked even. They don’t show you a list of search engines to set as default, they ask you to switch to Bing. My system just switched to Bing without asking.
Why wouldn’t it be legal? You are using their product and they put out a notification on it asking if you want to use one of their products. Why would that be illegal!?
Like I understand people not liking it, but illegal?
Creating a monopoly with a competitive advantage is illegal in Europe.
These posts are just getting insane at this point.
It is illegal in Europe.
What is illegal? Asking you if you want to change your default search engine? That doesn’t sound illegal to me so I wonder what law is causing it to be illegal.
Since everybody on this comm seem to be circlejerking, let me how to tell you how to get rid of this POS. Shit’s called BGAupsell and resides in Windows\Temp\MUBSTemp, set yourself as owner of the file via your admin account and then delete it and replace it with an an empty EXE file that you assign ownership to yourself with. Then you write protect it and you’re done. If you just delete the dir or the file, it’ll come back next major update.
NOW, to really give MS a punch in the dick, you’re also going to want to disable the search menu ad as well:
https://www.howtogeek.com/826967/how-to-disable-bing-in-the-windows-11-start-menu/
And all of you fucking *nux newfargs, grow up. Also, don’t fucking drink and root you lusers.
Or you just install Linux and be done with it.
Yes, I am THAT guy. It looks and feels like windows, but prettier, nicer, and better. No more corporate rules bullshit, no more anti virus bullshit, no more bullshit.
Yes, most games do work now.
Yes, most windows software has equal or better alternatives, or run natively through wine.
You don’t have to put up with Microsoft bullshit.
Get rid of office, Hotmail and teams while you’re at it and get working software.
*facepalms in having told the newbie not to drink and root*
You’re the reason most of us don’t really tell others that we run Linux.
Because…? I’ve used Linux on desktop for over 20 years now. Yes. I have a multi monitor (3 monitors) setup with a cool looking 3d desktop (bling mostly to show off, make people come for the bling, stay for the awesome computer experience) and I’ve loved every minute of it.
Every single time I see another one of these posts I tell people to come to Linux, we got cookies
Have fun with your digital Stockholm syndrome and corpo mindshare.
Man, people like you are why we have to call it GNU/Linux. You have no core principles.
Yeah, you clearly are a newbie if you missed the obvious flag that my username presents. I’m a fucking old sysop you nimrod. I know Win, *Nux, Netware not because I want to know, but because my fucking job requires me to know. And you know what you figure out after a while of messing around with all of the crap that exists? Nothing is pure.
So yeah, you be 16 year old me and repeat my own mistakes. Rant about corpo crap without even knowing what a job is. Rant about fucking principles when you still afford them. Also give me the spiel about how FOSS is superior to closed source because arbitrary reasons. If you live long enough, you’ll get the nuance to stop spouting crap that doesn’t mean shit outside of your bubble.
Seriously, you are literally teenage me. I’m so glad I grew out of this phase. But man, you seriously need to pick up a fucking sysman every once in a while and stop sniffing the farts of the in-crows of popular lin distros.
You sort of missed the point where Linux gives you freedom. Linux is built for users, windows is built for marketing, and it shows. It makes Linux nice for end users and it makes windows nice for the marketing department, sales and the share holders.
Windows SUCKS in it’s daily use and even after all these years it’s still a Swiss cheese security wise. Yes, people would face issues with Linux too. Of course they will. But it will be a while different class of issues, not caused by a “fuck the user” attitude like Microsoft has it, but issues that will be solved because on Linux people actual care.
Yes, keep rehearsing the old propaganda. Doesn’t mean shit to the normie that still uses Windows because they’d rather have support than shitty half or undocumented systems that do shit they’re not supposed to at the worst time. For what it’s worth, you’re completely right. 100%. But reality makes all your right irrelevant. So, rather than fucking around and trying to convert people, maybe just lay off the bullshit and leave them be? Or … you know, git gud and help out?
I do.
I help people with Linux wherever I can.
I make companies use Linux. My own company uses Linux everywhere, it was built in from the start.
What you’re saying is a chicken and egg problem. Companies would love to give support go Linux users but then they need Linux users…
No , you just gave up. Stop lying to yourself. You hide behind muh affordability because that’s the convenient excuse to use to not think about this.
The status quo will benefit you for giving up entirely and disparaging those who advocate for freedom.
“Teenage me” sounds like a mask off moment for you being a bitter out of touch person. You endorse the status quo and hide it under emotional rants of being more mature than the rest of us.
“Nothing is pure… Rant about corpo crap”
I’m only commenting to this because I don’t want younger folks or to be caught up in your self hate spiral.
Its GNU/Linux because clowns like you exist and won’t shut up. People deserve better, they don’t deserve someone like you frothing at the mouth at the fact that you don’t believe a better world is possible.
You’re incredibly lucky that a majority of “Linux”/tech communities tolerate you.
I didn’t so much give up as I was forced to reconcile the false narratives posed by the bubble I was living in versus getting the fucking job done at the end of the day. Having to actually work according to legal standards, KPIs, milestones and visions really makes you realize the limitations of certain systems and the pitfalls of them. That only comes with experience.
And I don’t fucking *need *communities to tolerate me, because I don’t care. Again, you’re speaking like some teenager on Twitter that’s worried about likes more than someone whose got insight. If I need a *nux server for anything, I’ll use it. But I’m not going to let blind FOSS bullshit idealism bar me from getting the job done at the end of the day.
Now, if you had any brains you’d realize that smugly telling windows lusers to switch their OS is only going to piss them off. If you REALLY wanted to be a suave motherfucker, you could tell the users how to fix their shit and then tell them WHY shit like that happens (99% because win is a mono system, which *Nux isn’t) and then suggest a distro that would work for a switch, maybe link to some handy guides or shit like that.
But no, you’re 16 year old me instead who giggles at Tux memes and tells people to switch when they ask for help. Fucking cringe.
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Microsoft clearly uses dark patterns and FUD to lure you into using Bing.
As long as they’re using legal loopholes (or downright do not care because they have enough money to pay any fines) you cannot do anything against it except not using their OS.
I stopped using outlook entirely for this behaviour. Outlook would embed a bing search in your long press menu on android.
I mean, it depends on your design of the fines. If you ask for a days revenue per day of violation, this stuff will never happen again (since this is no mistake, it is totally fair price). A month of this and their yearly profit is in the government hand.
I really don’t know why I bother reading the comments on any windows posts. It’s just full of Linux users trying to convert people.
It’s not going to happen. Most of us use our computers for leisure, not to have to find workarounds for most anything.
This is literally a post of someone trying to find a workaround for a problem that only exists on windows… A question was asked and an appropriate answer given, if you refuse to accept the answer, thats on you, go read a different post
Yes exactly it’s a question about Windows. Saying “use Linux” is not relevant to this post, which is about Windows.
It’s also terrible advice.
You’re part of the problem. If someone using Windows bugs you so much, go read a different post.
You are setting a stage where corporations can exploit people like you who’re naive because they resist change. Change is good. Embrace it! I am not a linux user but I always keep my options open.
That’s an odd way of saying “I don’t like Arch users”
I don’t know why lemmy bothers having a specific instance for PC and Linux if the communities for everything from technology to mildly infuriating is just going to be people bitching about Windows.
Really feels like the quality of lemmy has gone down tbh, you can’t go anywhere without someone posting “Windows Bad.” The population grew but it was only the ones who cared about the API changes which just so happened to be the Linux community apparently.
I use Linux on everything that’s not my main desktop and it still pisses me off to see it just flooding everywhere.
One of the many reasons why I will never return to Windows.
I still have to use 10 for work, but on the plus side it’s a 5 day per week reminder of just how terrible it is.
In the same boat. and recently of all the issues that could pop up, Teams has decided to become a buggy mess. Their own software on their own OS just stops working after just one year of using the machine.
Not to speak of all the other slowdowns and child-diseases that the thing has developed.
Meanwhile my desktop install of Linux is nearing its 10th birthday, has all sorts of legacy configs that I never bothered to clean up, has moved drives 3 times and to a different filesystem+partitioning scheme, changed bootloader… Yet still is way less of a pain than Windows at work.
I still have to use 10 for work, but on the plus side it’s a 5 day per week reminder of just how terrible it is.
What do you use the rest of the time that you prefer? Serious question, because I’ve been looking at Windows alternatives for a while and I like to hear what’s working better for others.
" Microsoft Service Agreement"
/shudder
It’s shit like this that will eventually drive me away from windows. I was baffled when it appeared.
They lost a trial in this allnd paid a flick on the wrist.
They just so this because they know it will get them more than it will cost.
Install Linux, make the switch. Yes you can.
I’ve been looking into that recently. The last time I ran Linux was in the early 90s, I don’t think there was even much of a GUI then, most or all command line, so I have no idea what it’s like now. I’ve been hearing about Mint and Zorin as good distros for Mac/Windows users, but I have been reluctant to ask anywhere because the many conversations I’ve seen in various forums about which distro is best for a specific scenario have seemed . . . to put it extremely diplomatically, less than constructive.
I’ve seen it so often that now I am starting to think Linux is the cocaine of all operating systems: great stuff, but with personal side effects. Risk of personal transformation might be worth more than warranted by situation calling for its use. Mention with caution, if at all. And yes, I fully expect to get flamed for this, lol.
I’ve used Mint for a couple of years now. Gaming has never been better on Linux. It’s not perfect and there are still a lot of issues with games that use intrusive anti cheat. It depends on what you like to play. COD type games you may have issues with but almost every single player game works these days. Some times it will require a little fiddling to be fair but generally it only takes 10 min to check what’s required. Protondb is your friend if you want a good idea of whether it will work before buying
I’m not much of a gamer so simply using Linux to put old hardware back into use is already more than I’d hoped. I have an old Macbook and per your suggestion just made a Mint Cinnamon boot USB, so I’ll have a test machine up and running very soon.
While I’m at it . . . any suggestions as to the best forums in which to ask stupid noob questions?
I will try other distros if I don’t like Mint, because if Linux works out, I’m ready to jump ship off Windows and start changing over my more crucial boxes. I just don’t see going to Windows 11, not least because I am certain that even operating systems are eventually going to try to trap users into a subscription model, and I am simply not having that shit. It won’t happen immediately, but it seems inevitable, so why wait. Thank you again for your recommendations.
Perfectly legal… it’s just advertising. If they switch you without your consent then yes it’s illegal.
Well…even then it’s probably legal. Assuming you’re using Windows OS. You’ve agreed to a long list of bs in terms and conditions. You paid like $200 for a license to rent out an operating system that spies on you and can change anything to it at will.
Some 90s judges don’t agree with that
I hate this so much but I want to call out the Google and Apple are just as bad. I used edge for a while and I constantly got popups on every Google owned website telling me how great Chrome is and that I should switch, it was even worse than what you get from Windows telling you to use Edge. And don’t even get me started about Safari on iPhones…
This shit is why I stopped using windows altogether
