cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18749281
The Wisconsin English teacher, Jordan Cernek, argues in the suit that the district violated his freedom of religion and free speech in mandating the use of the students’ preferred names and pronouns.
A high school English teacher is suing a Wisconsin school district, alleging it did not renew his contract last year because he refused to use the preferred names of two transgender students.
Jordan Cernek’s federal lawsuit alleges the Argyle School District violated his constitutional and civil rights to be free of religious discrimination and to be able to express himself according to his religious beliefs when it did not renew his contract because he refused to abide by a requirement that teachers use the names or pronouns requested by students.
(Uplifting because a bigot got the consequences he deserved, not because the whiny piece of shit sued over it.)
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This does not seem uplifting.
Neither does your tone.
Asshole loses job because of said assholery is a reasonably uplifting news story I’d say.
Jo. And what faith even prohibits changing names? Bigotry? Or is that in some old book?
Remember, God doesn’t make mistakes. So if he made you in such a way that you want to change your name later in life you should just do it.
I completely don’t get what those people do. Where I come from, you either don’t believe in God, because you believe in facts. And you’re nice to people because it’s the right thing to do… Or you believe that God had a son (who is at the same time also him) and that son also told you to be nice to people… So I don’t get how people claim being an asshole is somehow mandated to them.
Because they aren’t actually believers, they want to have a shield for being shitty. And the church will even help defend them.
Clearly God made folks a specific way and that shouldn’t be altered, which is why I’m against glasses and braces. /s
Plastic surgery, too. Fox “News” presenters have boob jobs, nose jobs, veneers, fake tans, and dye jobs, and they have the nerve to say people shouldn’t alter their bodies.
Get bent 🫶
^How’s this for tone?
What tone? It was two sentences.
Hate speech isn’t protected. This is hate speech. And he’s doing it to cause emotional distress.
The teacher believes he is being discriminated against because the state won’t allow him to discriminate against society’s most vulnerable members, who happen to be in his care.
You can’t make this stuff up.
I hope he gets hit by a car
That’s horrible!
I hope a car slowly parks on top of him
I’m currently working at a school with a trans kid. She’s an absolute delight and if I hear anyone in the district dead name her, there will be hell to pay. I’m so glad schools are getting rid if jackasses like this guy.
What does the student have down on their paperwork? I’m just thinking that there could be some confusion if the old name was on everything instead of their preferred name.
Does someone at the school try to correct the records in some way in that situation?
Official documentation doesn’t have any bearing on what you call someone in class. It’s literally no different than calling William by his preferred name of Will.
I’m asking how everyone would know what to call them and if there’s a way to make sure they do.
Don’t worry, someone else provided a real answer. Thanks.
Why are you just making things up? What’s the point of you taking the effort to say nonsense?
Our system actually has a fill in for preferred names for both faculty and students and will use that on all documents if you check the box. I myself use it and my badge, logins, and even timeclock have my nickname instead of my legal name. I only know her real name because her dossier was upfront about being trans.
That’s cool. Thank you for actually providing an answer to my questions. Much appreciated
Back in the 90s, most of my teachers would ask the class on the first day if they had any (school appropriate) nicknames they prefer to be called.
Just make this a requirement.
My 6th grade teacher did exactly this, but went beyond normal nicknames and said if there’s ANYTHING you want to be called she would use that name instead. Granted, every teacher before that would hear the nicknames and just use them anyway, but this one went a step beyond that.
Not a single kid used their birth name. Some used regular nicknames, some used their parents nickname for them, and some chose something else. I went the cringier route and chose “silent hill because I like that game and I’m usually quiet” and sure enough she called me that all year. Had the nicknames down by the end of the week and still knew each child’s real name for when she’s talking to other adults.
I don’t see what the big deal is with using someone’s preferred name. Legitimately the only reason to not use it in this context is to be a piece of shit.
Fuck that guy.
No part of Christianity says anything about names.
Dude’s just a bigot.
Thank fuck for Janet p on the Wisconsin supreme court!
Repeat after me: There’s a difference between free speech and being a bigot.
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I just had teacher trainings this week at the school district I am working for this year after moving from Texas to the PDX area. It was like night and day compared to Texas. The training began with Land Acknowledgements, and we spent a few hours learning about and discussing how we will be implementing cross-curricular activities on the culture, language, and practices of the Native American tribes from this area. I teared up, I gotta tell ya.
But the thing that really hit me the hardest was how comfortable I felt as a queer person. They asked us to put our pronouns on our name tent, and I initially put the ones I was assigned at birth (because I’m coming from Texas where I didn’t dare let on that I wasn’t cisgender). But I soon realized through discussions with the trainers and with people at mine and surrounding tables that this really is a safe place, that I can be myself and not fear repercussions that would affect my livelihood.
So I shared during discussions about privilege and power that I was non-binary, and nobody batted an eye, no microgestures indicating their discomfort, it was just…normal. Safe. I’ve never felt like this before. Every queer person…teacher, student, citizen, immigrant, or otherwise…should be allowed to feel like this.
Most teachers will get really mad if their students casually call them by their first name.
This is not uplifting. This is a lose-lose as it’s the type of case that this particular Supreme Court loves to add to their docket.
Eventually, SCOTUS will either rule that this does in fact violate his religious rights, or they will make a ruling siding with the school district that destroys part of the civil rights act, which is cited all throughout his filing:
"…repeatedly cites the 1964 Civil Rights Act and its Title VII section prohibiting workplace discrimination”
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he deserves this
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this is a place where I’d like to be free of such discussions, even if just briefly. Please don’t post such stuff over here again
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Please stop bringing this kind of crap into “uplifting news.”
This is objectively sad news. I’m not happy a kid isn’t getting supported by his teacher at school. While it’s probably good he was fired for it, it’s not what I’d call “uplifting” at all.
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Ah, allow me to introduce you to the orphan crushing machine. It was born of a tweet:
“Every heartwarming human interest story in america is like “he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine” and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you’d need to pay to prevent it from being used.”
I can understand how difficult it would be to call your son or daughter by a different name. But if I am introduced to someone, and they tell me their name is Molly; I’m gonna call them Molly. You’d have to be a real piece of work to go out of your way to call them something else.
But then again, paperwork and role call, etc for the school – How was that printed out? Because I am fucked when it comes to names and remembering shit. If roll had “Greg” printed on it, but Greg wanted to be called “Molly”; I’d have a hard time flipping that in my head every day when I’m reading one thing and having to change it to another. It’s like that mental test where you read the word “Blue” but the word is in red and you’re supposed to say what color the word is.
So I’d like to know - did identification from the school match their preferred names? If not; why not? The school might be just as at-fault here.
After 30 or so roll calls and doing them every day I’m pretty sure you would remember that Greg goes by Molly. It’s not that hard to remember your students’ names.
Unless every kid in your class has a different name then maybe it might get difficult, but at that point the roll call paper would be pointless and they may as well just print it with the preferred names on it
They probably should just print it with the preferred names anyways.
It’s not that hard to remember your students’ names.
It is for me, as I’m on the spectrum.
I feel like remembering people’s names properly is a superpower teachers have. I sure as Hell don’t understand how they manage it, but in my experience they consistently manage it.
(Besides, I assume they could just annotate the attendance list with the preferred names/pronouns on the first day of school.)
Pretty sure that’s what they do. When I was school most teachers had trouble pronouncing some names, so they’d just ask us what we preferred to be called, or how we’d prefer our names to be pronounced and they’d make a note.
Most kids had nicknames that they preferred to use anyway, so that’s what how they’d be addressed. All official paperwork had the given name, but their friends, and teachers would just refer to them by the name they preferrred…which is why this whole name situation is just baffing to me. I’m guessing they didn’t renew his contract for other/additional reasons, this is just his way or trying to hit back
I’m guessing they didn’t renew his contract for other/additional reasons, this is just his way or trying to hit back
Imagine how ridiculously terrible he must be if this self-report is his idea of trying to make himself look less bad, LOL!
From this article it sounds like he’s one of those religious nuts trying to force their views on everyone. He probably starts off every conversation with “well, you know, as a Christian.”
It’s never about religion with a POS like this, it’s almost always about control. Hopefully the lawsuit gets tossed before it costs the school district too much money, and he can go work at a religious school where his views will probably not cause waves
