Ocean water is pushing miles beneath Antarctica’s “Doomsday Glacier” on a daily basis making it more vulnerable to melting than previously thought, according to new research, which used radar data from space to perform an X-ray of the crucial glacier.
Thwaites, which already contributes 4% to global sea level rise, holds enough ice to raise sea levels by more than 2 feet. But because it also acts as a natural dam to the surrounding ice in West Antarctica, scientists have estimated its complete collapse could ultimately lead to around 10 feet of sea level rise — a catastrophe for the world’s coastal communities.
That’s a lot of beachfront and riverside properties that would end up going underwater.
On one hand, this will fucking suck…however, no one will be able to argue that global warming isn’t real as this will be the very real consequences to ignoring climate change.
no one will be able to argue that global warming isn’t real
There is no amount of catastrophic weather or other directly observable evidence that will ever make this statement true. There certainly should be, but the fact remains that many will deny climate change even as it destroys their lives or kills them. I don’t like it but that’s the world we live in.
From what I’ve read, there are a few things that change people’s beliefs. Fact is not one of them. What your in-group believes is a big factor. So if we could murder fox news, we’d probably do the world a lot of good.
But the other thing that apparently can push people into reevaluating their beliefs? Horrific, personal, trauma. Someone who’s whole town was destroyed by climate change might be shaken up enough to rethink their world view. Maybe.
You could also maybe trigger the effect by beating the living shit out of a climate change denier, because being dragged out of their coal-rolling truck and being beaten so badly they’ll never walk again would be traumatic.
But the other thing that apparently can push people into reevaluating their beliefs? Horrific, personal, trauma. Someone who’s whole town was destroyed by climate change might be shaken up enough to rethink their world view. Maybe.
Your first point needs to happen first otherwise this scenario just gets spun into “stupid liberals want you to think it’s humans doing this, it’s just natural cycles the earth goes through. Look back millions of years and you’ll see a period where average temperatures were 90°! Do you want to let liberals charge you more for Beautiful Gasoline™ over a lie!?”
Not entirely true in my anecdotal experience. Most of the original deniers I know personally now say that climate change is real, just that it’s not man-made and there’s nothing we can do about it. I remember around a few years ago I even convinced my boss that climate change is in fact real (he couldn’t come up with a valid reason to explain picture and video evidence), but he refuses to accept humans are causing it. It’s still equally frustrating, nonetheless.
I mean, is that functionally any different? They’re still going with their own “alternate facts” over listening to scientists. They’re still refusing to support politicians and/or policies that might give us a shot at avoiding the worst of the problem. If they’re still doing all the same shit then nothing has changed.
Right, I was just pointing out that there are plenty who do believe in climate change, but are still missing/refusing to see the underlying cause and support reform.
I have a friend that claims climate change is not man made. He always talks about volcanos and ice ages. Does anyone know what evidence I can actually hand him to show him man’s contribution is the leading cause?
You can start by showing them that every mass extinction event earth has witness was the rapid climate change after massive volcanic eruptions spewed greenhouses gases… (including the dinosaurs, the asteroid was basically kicking them while they were already down)… and we’re doing the exact same thing at break neck speeds.
You’re assuming these people have principles and integrity, but they don’t. They’ll just blame the government for allowing it to happen/not providing them enough assistance.
Damn at just 5 ft most of southern Louisiana is completely submerged. And these are probably not the wealthiest people so where do they go? Do they live in FEMA trailers further in land? Do we as a country have a contingency plan for this ? I doubt it but I hope I’m wrong.
I mean there probably are enough homes to help these people but that may cut into Blackrock’s rental profit so that’s out of the question…
The more I look at this map the more overwhelmed I get at the number of people that will be displaced at just 5 ft.
It would be kind of nostalgic. Like the discussion forums of yore, where signatures were the place to shove quotes, statistics, awards, maybe a gif or two.
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That’s a lot of beachfront and riverside properties that would end up going underwater.
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People in FL complaining about not being able to get insurance, this is why. The whole state’s gonna be underwater.
On one hand, this will fucking suck…however, no one will be able to argue that global warming isn’t real as this will be the very real consequences to ignoring climate change.
There is no amount of catastrophic weather or other directly observable evidence that will ever make this statement true. There certainly should be, but the fact remains that many will deny climate change even as it destroys their lives or kills them. I don’t like it but that’s the world we live in.
From what I’ve read, there are a few things that change people’s beliefs. Fact is not one of them. What your in-group believes is a big factor. So if we could murder fox news, we’d probably do the world a lot of good.
But the other thing that apparently can push people into reevaluating their beliefs? Horrific, personal, trauma. Someone who’s whole town was destroyed by climate change might be shaken up enough to rethink their world view. Maybe.
You could also maybe trigger the effect by beating the living shit out of a climate change denier, because being dragged out of their coal-rolling truck and being beaten so badly they’ll never walk again would be traumatic.
Your first point needs to happen first otherwise this scenario just gets spun into “stupid liberals want you to think it’s humans doing this, it’s just natural cycles the earth goes through. Look back millions of years and you’ll see a period where average temperatures were 90°! Do you want to let liberals charge you more for Beautiful Gasoline™ over a lie!?”
Not entirely true in my anecdotal experience. Most of the original deniers I know personally now say that climate change is real, just that it’s not man-made and there’s nothing we can do about it. I remember around a few years ago I even convinced my boss that climate change is in fact real (he couldn’t come up with a valid reason to explain picture and video evidence), but he refuses to accept humans are causing it. It’s still equally frustrating, nonetheless.
I mean, is that functionally any different? They’re still going with their own “alternate facts” over listening to scientists. They’re still refusing to support politicians and/or policies that might give us a shot at avoiding the worst of the problem. If they’re still doing all the same shit then nothing has changed.
Right, I was just pointing out that there are plenty who do believe in climate change, but are still missing/refusing to see the underlying cause and support reform.
I have a friend that claims climate change is not man made. He always talks about volcanos and ice ages. Does anyone know what evidence I can actually hand him to show him man’s contribution is the leading cause?
https://xkcd.com/1732/
Wow. The ‘Current Path’ was very optimistic. We are accelerating roughly twice as fast as was predicted here in 2016.
You can start by showing them that every mass extinction event earth has witness was the rapid climate change after massive volcanic eruptions spewed greenhouses gases… (including the dinosaurs, the asteroid was basically kicking them while they were already down)… and we’re doing the exact same thing at break neck speeds.
COVID taught me they want to believe the lies they tell themselves. Hard to reason with that.
You’re assuming these people have principles and integrity, but they don’t. They’ll just blame the government for allowing it to happen/not providing them enough assistance.
It’s actually kind of fair to blame the government for letting this happen…
Not if you’re the one voting in the people who refuse to do anything about it and make every attempt to further the issue.
It also means most of Florida is going to be exported to other states. I don’t think anyone (including FL) wants that.
I too think that the people with real power will only really care if they are themselves affected.
Where does Florida Man ™️ go when his trailer is underwater? Is he now Georgia Man or Mississippi Man?
This is a migration that I don’t think people want
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Can we order that for this weekend? Thanks.
Looks like my property is gonna be on the new coast of Florida in a few years. I’m gonna be rich!
https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/slr/0/-10004506.766843196/3550561.8098224415/8/satellite/none/0.8/2050/interHigh/midAccretion
Damn at just 5 ft most of southern Louisiana is completely submerged. And these are probably not the wealthiest people so where do they go? Do they live in FEMA trailers further in land? Do we as a country have a contingency plan for this ? I doubt it but I hope I’m wrong.
I mean there probably are enough homes to help these people but that may cut into Blackrock’s rental profit so that’s out of the question…
The more I look at this map the more overwhelmed I get at the number of people that will be displaced at just 5 ft.
We’ll have the very best trailer park parties.
This map makes sea level rise look like nothing
George Strait called it in 1986
Any particular song you are referring to?
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Ocean Front Property
Thank you! Didn’t know the artist’s work.
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What’s with the signature thing in your comments?
Really clutters up a comment thread. Imagine if everyone did that
Its done manually, a copy and paste of the following text …
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Yeah fuckin stop it eh?
Can you imagine the fucking mess comment threads would be like that? 😂
It would be kind of nostalgic. Like the discussion forums of yore, where signatures were the place to shove quotes, statistics, awards, maybe a gif or two.
A single sentence, in a small font?
I could see the pillars of Lemmy crashing down even now. /s
That’s 61 cm and 305 cm for like 95% of the world.
Which means you can bet your ass they’ll start selling them to poor people soon enough.