Booooooooooo!
Anyway: ill just keep using alpaca to run llms locally
No problem, after they release all the data collected under the excuse of public good and progress.
I was calling this shit out for years, yet I was downvoted into oblivion, argued with, called names, and dismissed as a result.
Weird, I said this shit for years, and I was upvoted into the heavens, agreed with, called a hero, and acknowledged as a result.
Maybe is not what was being said?
I think it was more a case of where. I wasn’t commenting on posts that showed it negatively, I was commenting on posts that propped it up as the be-all-end-all gift to mankind. When there was any news on Sam Altman, everyone was up his ass. At the time, I’d comment some nuanced stuff that essentially took him down a few pegs and I got lit the fuck up.
Aside from that, I was commenting on the environmental effect. Which even when I provided links- I was met with the whole “Bruh! The pros will outweigh the cons!” rhetoric.
Heh, I warn about Mozilla/Firefox all the time and get the same. I hope I’m wrong though :(
Everything was clear about Mozilla the moment they started fighting the ecosystem around Gecko, with alternative browsers, useful extensions and so on. And, of course, the old usable UI.
People just forget what they don’t know how to process.
Disagree, XUL was a dead end that either needed shooting behind the bike shed or it’d have taken Mozilla down with it inevitably. It froze their internal architecture to a design that didn’t care about multicore or modern security. Switching to a proper extension api (it didn’t matter if it was chromes or their own, only that they are willing to make their own decisions, like in manifest v3).
That said, I suspect the real death blow was when they killed servo, that project was their distant salvation, a chance to genuinely outcompete technologically and direct where browsers need to go next. I too hope I’m wrong and they can figure out a path forward, but they’ve shown little ambition from the top, so I’m not holding my breath.
I only see negative posts about openai, I kinda find this unbelievable, do you have any examples?
I don’t think you’ve paid enough attention. Back when ChatGPT first launched, they were treated as saints.
The negative opinions have corresponded with public sentiment souring towards them in general (this did happen quite quickly, however).
They just wants the attention of an argument. I made the mistake of giving it to them.
One example and I shutup
Or you could just shut up.
When you admit you’re lying, sure!
Dude… I’m not digging through years worth of comments across several social media platforms and accounts on each just to satisfy your purposelessly sad need for attention.
So if as a result of this. you are left with no other choice than to accuse me of lying because I’m not playing along with your little internet rule of “you have to prove what you say or I get to call you a liar!” bullshit, then be my guest. But I’m an adult. I don’t play by nonsense childish internet rules and I don’t appease trolls.
Now, having explained my stance on the issue, I can expect you’ll exercise your compulsion to have the last word and call me a liar again?
Don’t care either way.
Can you provide even one example? AI is my autistic obsession, and I never saw anything like that on lemmy even once.
I was even regularly searching for “AI” using the search feature daily.
I have never once seen this, and I don’t find it believable at all, honestly.
Wether you believe it or not, it’s true. People have defended OpenAI and other LLMs vigorously over the past few years. It’s only been recently that they’re all being seen for what they are.
On lemmy?
[citation needed]
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/search?q=openai&type=Posts&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll I just tried this, went back 2 pages, not even one positive post, dunno what you’re talking about.
On lemmy, on Reddit…. And no citation is needed. This isn’t a court of law. I don’t owe you proof of my claim, nor care if you believe me. I said what I said because it’s fucking frustrating to have been shot down time-and-again for saying shit that people soon end up agreeing with.
It’s the same as the bullshit with Elon Musk. Everyone was up his ass thinking he’s the next Tony Stark. No one wanted to hear anything negative about him.
Is it so hard for you to believe that there once were people that once were able to see the negative side to LLMs?
??? I only see people talking about the negative of both of these on lemmy. Maybe reddit, sure, I have no idea there, but on lemmy??
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I have never seen a positive post about openai get upvotes on lemmy, not even when they started.
I have never seen a positive post about elon musk on lemmy that got upvoted…
Just because you haven’t seen a thing, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You really shouldn’t have gotten on this far without having had this explained to you by now- but here we are.
I’m not going to argue with you about it.
Yeah but it certainly doesn’t mean it does exist just because you said so.
Something stinks.
Stop depending on these proprietary LLMs. Go to !localllama@sh.itjust.works.
There are open-source LLMs you can run on your own computer if you have a powerful GPU. Models like OLMo and Falcon are made by true non-profits and universities, and they reach GPT-3.5 level of capability.
There are also open-weight models that you can run locally and fine-tune to your liking (although these don’t have open-source training data or code). The best of these (Alibaba’s Qwen, Meta’s llama, Mistral, Deepseek, etc.) match and sometimes exceed GPT 4o capabilities.
And there are also free, online hosted instances of those same LLMs in a (relatively speaking) privacy-protecting format from DuckDuckGo, for anyone who doesn’t have a powerful GPU :)
Interesting. So they mix the requests between all DDG users before sending them to “underlying model providers”. The providers like OAI and Anthropic will likely log the requests, but mixing is still a big step forward. My question is what do they do with the open-weight models? Do they also use some external inference provider that may log the requests? Or does DDG control the inference process?
All requests are proxied through DuckDuckGo, and all personalized user metadata is removed. (e.g. IPs, any sort of user/session ID, etc)
They have direct agreements to not train on or store user data, (the training part is specifically relevant to OpenAI & Anthropic) with a requirement they delete all information once no longer necessary (specifically for providing responses) within 30 days.
For the Llama & Mixtral models, they host them on together.ai (an LLM-focused cloud platform) but that has the same data privacy requirements as OpenAI and Anthropic.
Recent chats that are saved for later are stored locally (instead of on their servers) and after 30 conversations, the last chat before that is automatically purged from your device.
Obviously there’s less technical privacy guarantees than a local model, but for when it’s not practical or possible, I’ve found it’s a good option.
This is going to sound weird but so is the internet their icon suggests a chain of bodies eating out the ass of the one in front of them which to me seems apt for the product
Also not to make it all about asses but there’s also the goatse vibe
You forgot your eyes.
Shocking nobody
Well, apart from the people like me who thought they had always been one because they acted exactly like one.
I thought they had successfully converted around the time they got the infusion of funds from MS. I thought they were started as a not-for-profit, but were already shady-as-shit when they stopped publishing stuff under open licenses.
That’s very open of them
Open to All Income.
So the development of inorganic intelligence, considered by many as an inflection point in human civilisation is to be handed to business graduates who are historically proven to be capable of any level of atrocity in the name of corporate greed. America, fuck yeah.
Actually corporations themselves are 99% of what people fear about AGI already in their inhuman decisionmaking to the detriment of humanity.
AmericaGreed, fuck yeah.Don’t fool yourself. The USA lost the exclusivity deal on unchecked corpo greed a long time ago. This is a global issue now.
Always has been.
Yeah, the American tag was just a throwaway line, greed unchecked, insane and self-harming has always been with us. We let it sit with us around our camp fires like wolves but unlike wolves we never tamed it.
Then again, the US and China are basically the only players in this “game” atm. Hugging Face is trying hard to get the EU on-boarded, and I’m sure we’ll see more contenders. But right now it’s a 2-player game.
I think western interests at least are beginning to detach from nation states.
What do you mean by “inorganic intelligence,” exactly? Do you think openai has already achieved it?
As if any other group did not prove that just as much, if not more so.
Dont see the issue mann, people are hard at work at openai to make the best quality ai on the market. Why would you not give it the best economic system on the planet as well? Its literally the best of the best of the best
Oh boy, how surprising.
The bait and switch classic.
I’m clutching my pearls as I type this.
“ClosedAI” rebrand when?
🤣
NopeAI
Didnt they do this like a year ago
Yes, but I don’t think they made a profit so giving it another go
I thought they were a for-profit company all this time.
Pretty much non-profit in name only. Some shady hybrid model.
OpenAI sure seems like a case study in how to grift everyone by masquerading as a non profit whilst actually enriching yourself and your shareholders, causing a whole new class of societal problems in the process.
Meh. I don’t think anyone that matters was really fooled.
Lol like it wasn’t always.
There was never another outcome.
Capitalism breeds one thing, and it certainly isn’t innovation, and it most definitely isnt not-for-profit innovation.
