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Now lemmy is flooding me with corporate propaganda? Good on the company for doing the right thing, but when I see this same headline in multiple communities on here, it reminds me of reddit.
Is it propaganda, though? How about we celebrate the few nice things going for us and just enjoy it for a second. We should be praising this regardless of our ideals because the world is very far from ideal.
what kind of cartoon world are we living in that i’m actually on the side of a corporation for once
A cartoon where a corporation is doing the absolute bare minimum to fight racism.
DEI is more than just racism. Lots of marginalized groups that based on race alone.
They’ll find a way to fuck it up, I’m sure
Costco is the only one
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ya’ll are morons. Costco is going downhill. They’re making poor product choices, and it will catch up to them. DEI kills everything it touches. We need pure meritocracy, and policies that promote competitiveness among minorities, not ones that coddel them.
Found the fascist bot
There was never a pure meritocracy to begin with, that’s what DEI tries to correct.
prove it
Is spelling and grammar important in your meritocracy? Because your English sucks troll. Signed, a brown person.
nope, not important.
Hey Ivan, enlist in the Russian infantry and join your comrades on the front. Don’t worry, the NATO tungsten will be there to greet your worthless ass.
I already beat NATO.
Shooting down passenger planes isn’t beating NATO
Why do we need competitiveness among minorities when they’re already at a disadvantage? The competitiveness should be equal between minorities and majorities, otherwise it’s not a meritocracy, it’s just oppression.
I mean equip minorities with skills so they aren’t at a disadvantage, rather than just shove them into positions which by your own admission they have no advantage which would make them qualified for it. It’s stupid.
Who are these shareholders?? Name and shame
The shareholder is a group called “National Center for Public Policy Research”, a far right organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco#Ownership
Oops. All Private Equity.
I’m starting to think these private equity firms are bad eggs! /s
It’s just bad apples. Landfills and landfills of bad apples. Not even compostable, that’s how bad they are.
Not compostable, but they could be ground up to make some fertilizer.
The top three are index funds basically which is not really private equity in the colloquial sense. A lot of people’s retirements and savings are held by vanguard, blackrock and state street.
These are not the same firms behind the proposal though. I know some of the funds listed like Blackrock and State Street have supported DEI at least in the past and have been targeted by the far right for that reason.
Is there any legal way a company can prevent the sale of their stock to a private equity?
Go private and don’t have stock traded on the secondary market?
This for all shareholders, all the time. Their laws might care about the corporate veil but we don’t.
Trying to Save Yourself from Discrimination Lawsuits is WOKE and BAD BUSINESS! REAL American Companies OPEN themselves UP to Discrimination Lawsuits WILLINGLY!
It’s DEI just Equal Opportunity with a fresh coat of paint so racists/misogynists don’t sound like boomers from the 90s when they complain about it?
Diversity, Equality, Inclusion.
Yes, DEI is just the new name for “stop discriminating against non-white males”
DEI is all about making money by using resources that being racist and dumb leaves on the table. The moment it becomes too expensive DEI won’t fix it.
Id rather have DEI than not have it, but DEI is for company profit, any other benefits are secondary.
I mean it sounds like DEI is about using the best talent available. Instead of narrowing your options. So DEI will become too expensive when the playing field is even.
DEI has a branding problem. Should have called it IED.
C-IED here. What’s the emergency?
IED?
Improvised Explosive Device
DEI is all about making money by using resources that being racist and dumb leaves on the table
No it isnt… it’s just a quota. If you have sources showing the financial gains aquired through DEI implementation, please share
Well… do you have 3 more sources? Preferrably of the “angry, ranty, conservative dipshit” variety?
I work in a DEI company, there is no quota. They just want to higher cheap immigrant labor where they can get away with it and make their minority and women workers more productive by making them feel like they are cared for.
Why would a company voluntarily do something that would make it unpopular and lose money?
It’s not just a quota, and the post above yours is also wrong, but honestly I don’t have the energy to argue.
I’m sure the one above is actually right in some companies and wrong and others.
People shouldn’t make blanket statements about all companies.
Good companies pay by position and don’t underpay women in minorities.
That said the person who made the statement probably works in a company where that is the case.
The problem with DEI is that most discriminatory practices are not on purpose. People don’t underpay women because they are women per se. But because of invisible biases (e.g. holding women to higher expectations). And DEI tries to identify those issues and course correct. For example, one thing my company changed was how we write job offers to be more attractive to all, not just the typical male tech nerd.
It’s just plain weird to me that this isn’t seen as the lowest bar in the world, but I’m definitely still taking the W.
It’s not that it’s such a great act in itself, it’s no where near enough.
But.
This is a significant win as a large, profitable and respected company is seen to be doing something so insignificant and get such good marketing results. This is the best kind of encouragement we can give to the souless retail machine 😉 And yes… “We will sing your praises if you just follow basic laws” is a pretty low bar, but here we are 😄Orphan-crushing machine refuses to accelerate crushing orphans is a now feel good story yet again.
This false dichotomy of all or nothing merely benefits the status quo.
A small improvement is better than no improvement and all progress has to start with a first step, somewhere, somehow.
But this isn’t a small improvement.
The DEI policy was already in place.
When that got enacted was the improvement.
This is just not a step backward.
A step forward would be something like… we’ve restructered into a democratically run co-op, in a tri cameral structure, your costco membership now grants you a vote in something approximating the US House of Representatives, employees now all get votes in some higher authority body approximating the Senate, and then the board of directors acts as a multi person executive branch.
In 2024, “not a step backwards” = good news.
How is Costco an orphan crushing machine?
Costco is slightly less egregious than its counterparts, but it is still very much a part of the system and went along with the insane profiteering price increases on essentials.
Costco: Has higher wages and better benefits than competitors, pushes back to keep their DEI policies to protect their most vulnerable employees
You: they’re evil
Your argument would hold more weight if Costco encouraged or even complied with unions. Just because Costco is making sure it won’t be the subject of discrimination lawsuits does not make them the good guy here. I don’t care how many free samples and $1.50 hotdogs you get.
Also that’s a pretty reductive take on what @N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com posted. They were merely highlighting that the larger system in which Costco operates is exploitive. Not that Costco themselves were inherently evil.
https://teamster.org/2024/12/costco-refuses-to-accept-98-of-teamsters-proposals/
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/teamsters-file-unfair-labor-practice-charges-against-costco/
https://jacobin.com/2024/01/costco-workers-unionization-teamsters
the thing is, the system in which we have to function forces corporations and people to do evil things, even against their intention or will. being good means sooner or later becoming bankrupt as now you’re working against the system and losing profits.
as another person mentioned - if their suppliers artificially raise prices, whether Costco wants it or not, they have to raise them as well. the market just forced them to do something that limited the amount of things an individual can purchase with their paycheque (as we know, salaries haven’t been exactly keeping up with inflation), and pushed more people into poverty as a result
no corporation is good, and very few are still fighting against becoming fully evil. and as you can see, the fights get more ridiculous every year, the bar of being “good” keeps getting lower
Doesn’t Costco negotiate pretty brutally to secure favorable terms for its purchasing and that ostensibly reflects in the prices members eventually benefit from? I’ve heard that multiple times and I can’t really criticize Costco since I have noticed they really haven’t seemed to have artifically price-gouged or have barely even raised prices on much or what I’ve come to depend on and expect from them
They’re a business at the end of the day. If their suppliers raise their prices, they have no choice but to do the same in order to not go broke overnight. It sucks for everyone, and nobody can avoid it.
Sort of. These policies are really a mixed bag. A lot of fire departments in the 90’s were doing affirmative action things and wound up having to stop because it was getting people hurt and things were burning.
Turns out if there’s a job that’s actually important, you should probably hire the best people for the job. Not the best “of certain demographic” that applied.
That’s been disproven multiple times. The issue was the fire departments were not training the Probies with any real HOT because they didn’t want them.
https://www.iafc.org/docs/default-source/1vcos/iafc_dei_study_report_final.pdf
was getting people hurt and things were burning.
What are you even trying to say?
What is DEI?
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Programs, most often hiring, promoting those values
American History X has a scene about it, although racists were programmed with different words 30 years ago.
Questions against it is usually bigoted. It seemed to be the popular MAGA dogwhistle this election.
It’s not really a dogwhistle, DEI is diversity, equity and inclusion - they’re outright saying they don’t want diversity equity and inclusion.
DEI is a dog whistle in that for conservatives it means woke. They want companies to continue oppressing non white, non-cis, non-hetero people. Or at the very least, not actively elevate them.
But we can hear the whistle too. Being against diversity, equality, and inclusion is pretty blatant mask-off stuff.
Yes! I want to see data somewhere. I hear all the time that DEI puts less qualified people in positions but I think I’ve only read one article about this being found out and provable (no idea if it was even fact, it was so many years ago) though I have not researched the data or anything. I think it’s similar to the “welfare queen” screeching. Because one shit person took advantage of a system meant to help, does not mean that all who are a part of that system have the same goal.
And the recent news of Elon wanting to hire from overseas because Americans are too dumb. Assume by race and location of person that they are the most qualified… hmmm. Their bigotry doesn’t even make sense consistently.
The idea that there is an objectively “most qualified” candidate is a fairy tale for people who have never done high level professional hiring at any scale. The idea is that if you have two candidates with similar credentials, diversity itself can be a value added item for a bunch of reasons which are not easily reflected on resumes.
The data is available but data doesn’t make a fucking difference here. The people pushing anti-DEI policies are racists and they don’t care if it’s good for the company.
They just want to hurt people.
It’s why they only use the initials.
Dog whistling normally means saying one thing while meaning another, this is not that.
Dogwhistling is less about lying and more about coded language.
My point here is there’s no coded language - DEI is expressly about promoting minority groups. They are explicitly attacking that.
Oh, for sure. I agree with you that this is not dogwhistling; I was just quibbling a little over your description of what dogwhistling is. MAGAs use a wide variety of dishonest rhetorical tactics: there’s lying for the purpose of outright deception, dogwhistling to signal intent while maintaining deniability, and then whatever this tactic is called – euphemizing, maybe? – to state their idea plainly but spin it as less bad than it actually is.
No. It means implying something from something more tame. For example, in this case, it’s an objection to any support for gay, trans etc. Rather than saying that outright, they’d say DEI is over the top. Which is attending to sound subtle and against a policy or practice when it’s against minorities. Its a dog whistle. Like anti-immigration is usually used in as a racist dog whistle.
It needs to have a coded element to it, some people hear what’s really being said, some do not, like an actual dog whistle. There is no coded element here, it’s explicitly attacking gay, trans, women, basically any minority group because that’s expressly what DEI is about.
I think it’s a sporting goods store
But woke Marxism tho!!!
DEI isn’t inclusive though, it’s inherently exclusive. It should be means tested so it benefits those who really need it.
Accurate username.
DEI is about improving diversity and preventing racial bias in the hiring process (which very much exists because people are people). It’s not about helping poor people.
Regardless of its positive benefits, don’t kid yourself. Companies implement DEI because it keeps their workspace more fluid and open to staff turnovers, specially from international hires. Not only will more hires go into a company they see won’t have racial barriers for progression, but companies are less likely to have close-knit groups of locals unionizing to deal with when they make sure they aren’t the sort of groups that typically interconnect socially. The change in the job dynamic also feeds into the growth of the alt-right and the clashing of the social bubbles of those comprised by locals versus those comprised by immigrants. Take the Netherlands, a DEI success story with a population that is veering far to the right.
DEI is good, but CEOs couldn’t care less. It’s good to keep this in mind when answering questions like “Are the jobs AI is automating by the dozen adding diversity, or are they going to enable companies to become more regressive to the whims and fancies of their CEOs?”
companies are less likely to have close-knit groups of locals unionizing to deal with when they make sure they aren’t the sort of groups that typically interconnect socially. The change in the job dynamic also feeds into the growth of the alt-right and the clashing of the social bubbles of those comprised by locals versus those comprised by immigrants.
Yeah, it’s kind of the elephant in the room. After working in a team with overwhelming number of immigrants, I kind of see why many locals would feel alienated. Never mind bemoaning about “diluting culture” (what culture doesn’t evolve?), but job dynamics as you say changes for the worse. Many immigrants I know don’t really question the low pay in spite of the rising inflation. Many want to even work seven days straight if they could. It’s because many immigrants typically come from hierarchical, conservative and collectivist culture, where social validation and approval from seniors is more valued. This causes employers and government not to feel pressure to increase wages. This causes to weaken the power of unions.
Also, not all countries have affirmative action/DEI policies. Where I live, it’s not mandatory but it’s good practice for most companies to do so to avoid litigation and bad PR. However, the company I worked don’t actively pursue it and my former line manager, a Somali, overwhelmingly hire other Somalis. Another team has a Romanian team leader but also seem to favour fellow Romanian for job positions. I don’t believe this is done intentionally, but the thing is not all countries have the same education and culture, and my Somali and Romanian managers probably would not have been taught about unconscious biases.
That being said, it’s more important that there is mutual understanding and similar mindset than where the person is from. An Egyptian born and raised in US would likely agree with local citizens than with fresh off the boat immigrants.
Yes. However your response still highlights the inclusivity of the program which is in direct opposition of
DEI isn’t inclusive though, it’s inherently exclusive
