Electronics manufactures must from Saturday fit all devices sold in the EU with USB-C charger ports in a bid by the 27-nation bloc to reduce waste and cut costs for consumers, who will no longer have…
The new law allows you to have more than one charging connector provided that either the USB-C one is the best one, or the USB-C one is as good as the spec allows. If the new connector’s genuinely better, then it’ll beat a maxed-out USB-C connector, so devices will provide it in addition to a maxed-out USB-C connector.
uh huh and when the company is sued into oblivion proving their tech is better then what? the problem with laws like this (and I generally support it) is that they give bad actors ways to club others to stifle competition.
There is no requirement to prove that a different connector is better. They simply have to provide it and then it can be better by obvious design. Although it’s irrelevant anyway because no company is going to come up with a better adapter than the USB consortium. Practically every manufacturer is already in it.
tell me you’ve never interacted or looked into the legal system without telling me you never interacted with or looked into how the legal system works.
the lawsuits don’t need to be reasonable just make filing the suit and then dragging it out as much as possible is effective enough.
Don’t get me wrong I like the standardization towards USB-C. but ignoring the implications of laws like this and how they can be abused is silly.
lawsuits don’t need to be reasonable just make filing the suit and then dragging it out as much as possible is effective enough.
Okay so firstly that’s not true. If a lawsuit isn’t reasonable it can be filed but it won’t make it to court. The courts are backed up enough, they don’t want their time wasting with irrelevant nonsense.
Secondly even if that was the case it wouldn’t make any difference because you could also sue companies for not following rules.
Thirdly please look up the actual law. There’s no requirement to use a particular port you simply have to include whatever the currently recommended standard is, if the recommended standard changes the law changes automatically without any lawmakers needing to do anything.
Okay so firstly that’s not true. If a lawsuit isn’t reasonable it can be filed but it won’t make it to court.
yes it can and will. someone hasnt been paying attention to literally the entire trump presidency and general behavior of republican AGs i see. How much time was wasted in courts on the election steal nonsense. All you need is to find a judge who will hear the case and you can bribe one for that. Now obviously that example doesn’t directly apply to the EU but im sure if i go looking I’ll find examples of everything i’ve said in EU jurisdictions.
Secondly even if that was the case it wouldn’t make any difference because you could also sue companies for not following rules.
remember the issue here is the money that is wasted on lawyers and courts preventing low capital groups from getting traction. they literally wouldnt have the money to do that.
The behavior i’m describing is a extremely well known strategy. It comes in a number of forms.
Thirdly please look up the actual law. There’s no requirement to use a particular port you simply have to include whatever the currently recommended standard is
I did look up the law and I’m aware of this. Please learn some ability to connect the dots. developing a new standard -> costs money. ensuring the new standard is interoperable with the old one such that it can do this -> costs money. low capital groups lack money. Therefor by definition there will be a chilling effect on new development due to this law.
Finally, Im in favor of this law. I just don’t deny the side effects it will have and how it’ll potentially be abused by companies. The only way it doesnt have the effect I’ve described is if it carves out exceptions for individuals and small revenue companies.
Wow you are arrogant without any justification to be so.
What the hell has your weird president got to do with European Union law. The United States isn’t even affected by this law, Apple could if they wanted continue to use lightning cable in the United States. They won’t of course because that doesn’t make economic sense but that’s not the European union’s problem that’s apples.
In Europe you cannot sue someone just because you feel like it, the courts won’t allow the case to go forward if it has no merit.
The fact that you claim to have done research on this law is laughable, since you haven’t even noticed what countries it applies to.
If that was actually how the legal system works (which it’s not, you need standing), then this law wouldn’t matter anyways because you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.
you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.
this is literally what happens today, all the fing time. examples of it as a legal strategy appear all over the place.
I’ve addressed the ‘standing’ nonsense in plenty of places. standing isn’t a thing that is set in stone. examples of lack of standing cases going to court and case that should have standing being denied are everywhere. you just need to find a willing judge either ideologically or bribable.
off the top of my head: student loan relief was challenged by companies who managed the payments process as contractors for the government, widely agreed upon by legal experts to not actually have standing. cases involving abortion being tossed out due to lack of standing due to the birth or death of the fetus. Obviously US examples, but if i bothered looking into the EU id find examples there too.
SLAPPs are a problem in the EU, but not to the same degree as in the US. Unlike the US, there are bloc-wide rules protecting against them that saw the number of cases decrease this year. You’d have a stronger argument if you based this on the EU instead of just assuming that it’s a carbon copy of the US.
Sued for following the law and making sure the required connector is present and functional? Unless I’m missing something, the law doesn’t require the port be exclusive. I mean, if it did, they’d have to stop including wireless charging, and I don’t see that happening.
Yes, its additional cost which acts as a moat by increasing development costs. now you need to design your new connector and make sure its compatible with the existing standard.
If I’m a company who builds widgets and this new startup will have a better design you damn well bet i’m going to sue them to increase costs and decrease the likely hood they’ll succeed.
standing isnt some mythical unambiguous concept. in fact its almost entirely a legal fiction. times when standing should be granted its not and times when it shouldnt be it is. trying to make an argument that standing invalidates my point is fairly silly, since the very existence of this law has a chilling effect. denying that is foolish.
Starting today, all new mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, speakers, keyboards and many other electronics sold in the EU will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C charging port,"
Looks like the devices are named in annex Ia, and includes 13 items.
If there is something so valuable as to require a new port on one of those devices, I’m sure they’d come up with something, such as by having USB-C for charging and something else for data.
If it’s really that much better, it’ll be used for other things and catch on, then they’ll be a part of the group.
How can it be used for other things, if this law makes that illegal?
The new law allows you to have more than one charging connector provided that either the USB-C one is the best one, or the USB-C one is as good as the spec allows. If the new connector’s genuinely better, then it’ll beat a maxed-out USB-C connector, so devices will provide it in addition to a maxed-out USB-C connector.
uh huh and when the company is sued into oblivion proving their tech is better then what? the problem with laws like this (and I generally support it) is that they give bad actors ways to club others to stifle competition.
What would they be sued with?
There is no requirement to prove that a different connector is better. They simply have to provide it and then it can be better by obvious design. Although it’s irrelevant anyway because no company is going to come up with a better adapter than the USB consortium. Practically every manufacturer is already in it.
tell me you’ve never interacted or looked into the legal system without telling me you never interacted with or looked into how the legal system works.
the lawsuits don’t need to be reasonable just make filing the suit and then dragging it out as much as possible is effective enough.
Don’t get me wrong I like the standardization towards USB-C. but ignoring the implications of laws like this and how they can be abused is silly.
Okay so firstly that’s not true. If a lawsuit isn’t reasonable it can be filed but it won’t make it to court. The courts are backed up enough, they don’t want their time wasting with irrelevant nonsense.
Secondly even if that was the case it wouldn’t make any difference because you could also sue companies for not following rules.
Thirdly please look up the actual law. There’s no requirement to use a particular port you simply have to include whatever the currently recommended standard is, if the recommended standard changes the law changes automatically without any lawmakers needing to do anything.
yes it can and will. someone hasnt been paying attention to literally the entire trump presidency and general behavior of republican AGs i see. How much time was wasted in courts on the election steal nonsense. All you need is to find a judge who will hear the case and you can bribe one for that. Now obviously that example doesn’t directly apply to the EU but im sure if i go looking I’ll find examples of everything i’ve said in EU jurisdictions.
remember the issue here is the money that is wasted on lawyers and courts preventing low capital groups from getting traction. they literally wouldnt have the money to do that.
The behavior i’m describing is a extremely well known strategy. It comes in a number of forms.
I did look up the law and I’m aware of this. Please learn some ability to connect the dots. developing a new standard -> costs money. ensuring the new standard is interoperable with the old one such that it can do this -> costs money. low capital groups lack money. Therefor by definition there will be a chilling effect on new development due to this law.
Finally, Im in favor of this law. I just don’t deny the side effects it will have and how it’ll potentially be abused by companies. The only way it doesnt have the effect I’ve described is if it carves out exceptions for individuals and small revenue companies.
Wow you are arrogant without any justification to be so.
What the hell has your weird president got to do with European Union law. The United States isn’t even affected by this law, Apple could if they wanted continue to use lightning cable in the United States. They won’t of course because that doesn’t make economic sense but that’s not the European union’s problem that’s apples.
In Europe you cannot sue someone just because you feel like it, the courts won’t allow the case to go forward if it has no merit.
The fact that you claim to have done research on this law is laughable, since you haven’t even noticed what countries it applies to.
If that was actually how the legal system works (which it’s not, you need standing), then this law wouldn’t matter anyways because you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.
this is literally what happens today, all the fing time. examples of it as a legal strategy appear all over the place.
I’ve addressed the ‘standing’ nonsense in plenty of places. standing isn’t a thing that is set in stone. examples of lack of standing cases going to court and case that should have standing being denied are everywhere. you just need to find a willing judge either ideologically or bribable.
off the top of my head: student loan relief was challenged by companies who managed the payments process as contractors for the government, widely agreed upon by legal experts to not actually have standing. cases involving abortion being tossed out due to lack of standing due to the birth or death of the fetus. Obviously US examples, but if i bothered looking into the EU id find examples there too.
SLAPPs are a problem in the EU, but not to the same degree as in the US. Unlike the US, there are bloc-wide rules protecting against them that saw the number of cases decrease this year. You’d have a stronger argument if you based this on the EU instead of just assuming that it’s a carbon copy of the US.
Sued for following the law and making sure the required connector is present and functional? Unless I’m missing something, the law doesn’t require the port be exclusive. I mean, if it did, they’d have to stop including wireless charging, and I don’t see that happening.
Yes, its additional cost which acts as a moat by increasing development costs. now you need to design your new connector and make sure its compatible with the existing standard.
If I’m a company who builds widgets and this new startup will have a better design you damn well bet i’m going to sue them to increase costs and decrease the likely hood they’ll succeed.
And it would be tossed out for lack of standing before any arguments are heard or considered.
standing isnt some mythical unambiguous concept. in fact its almost entirely a legal fiction. times when standing should be granted its not and times when it shouldnt be it is. trying to make an argument that standing invalidates my point is fairly silly, since the very existence of this law has a chilling effect. denying that is foolish.
It doesn’t. It only applies to “smartphones, tablets and cameras”, according to the article.
Source: the article
Well now I don’t know what to believe. Anyone have a link to the legislation?
https://lemmy.world/comment/14191329
Looks like the devices are named in annex Ia, and includes 13 items.
If there is something so valuable as to require a new port on one of those devices, I’m sure they’d come up with something, such as by having USB-C for charging and something else for data.
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